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This is done in the Rock Springs Flight Service Station.

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Yes, sir.

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We got a UFO down here reported and I thought we'd call you and let you know.

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Okay, you have the party's name?

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The reporting party.

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Do you have any names or telephone numbers?

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It was reported by the Rock Springs Police Department twice.

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Okay, that's all they gave you?

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Well, I myself observed it through some binoculars and they seemed to think that they wanted a North,

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it was a helicopter, is what they wanted.

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They said they couldn't hear any noises, but it was observed approximately three to four miles west of the airport

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and we were actually east of the town.

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And I got a red and white flashing light.

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We didn't have any aircraft in the area at the time.

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We advised the center in Salt Lake and they said they didn't have any on their radar scope,

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but they did have real tiny lips on their lips on their lips.

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Oh, I see.

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And I thought it was about ten miles west of the airport

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and the police department reported it 500 feet to a thousand feet in the air

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and I think that was pretty accurate.

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And it appeared to me, like I said, we didn't have any aircraft in the area

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and no helicopters that we knew of.

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It appeared to me that I was moving in a caddy corner type direction,

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it'd be stationary for a minute, you know, like a helicopter, it would be homering.

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But then it would move more or less at a 45 degree slant kind of an angle.

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I see.

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And we got it about, like I say, ten miles west of the airport.

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Okay, if we find out what it is, why don't we get back to you?

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Yeah, I'm kind of curious about it myself.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Yes, this is a UFO reporting center in Washington.

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Could you give us any information on the objects that your personnel saw in the sky there tonight?

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All they said was it had a really bright light on it

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and it was shining a spotlight on the ground.

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And it was about 500 to a thousand feet in the air.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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Okay, we'd like to get a description of what you saw tonight.

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How do you have the information?

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We got it by AFA and then we went through your department.

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Well, there was a highway patrolman.

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Do you have it?

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Have you called him?

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No.

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We weren't aware of another gentleman.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to be seeing him after a while.

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I could have him call you if you want.

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Sure.

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I don't know what we saw.

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I really don't.

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Oh, could we get a description of just exactly what you observed?

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Well, first of all, it looked like two big headlights in the sky.

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And it was probably three or four at that time, maybe five miles west of the Rock Springs airport.

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And we were both traveling west on Interstate 80.

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We'd been on a call and we're traveling in separate cars,

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but you know, in the close proximity of each other.

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Yes.

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And he called me on the radio and said,

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let's sure as things look an airplane over there.

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And I've been looking at it.

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So we pulled over in part and the thing wasn't moving.

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And so, you know, we figured, well, it isn't an airplane.

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It's getting ready to land, so it must be a helicopter.

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And we watched it probably for, oh, I would say maybe a minute.

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And then it started to move again slowly eastward.

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And there was also a spotlight under it or the shot that went to the ground, you know.

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Yes.

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And we could see the ground lighting up under it.

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But it wasn't all the time.

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And we were just trying to impression it was kind of a big helicopter or something.

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Then when the patrolman went home to eat supper, he called the airport just to verify, you know,

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we wanted to know what it was really kind of a helicopter.

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It was and they didn't have any report of it.

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We said that they hadn't picked anything up in our radar screen.

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I wish now that we had turned and followed the thing further,

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but because it was so close to the airport and everything, you know,

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well, I still think it was probably a helicopter, but I don't know.

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And all you could see was the lights, the two lights.

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Well, there was two, yeah, light two, large headlights.

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This looked like a car or something up there, you know, real bright headlights.

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Okay, now that beam of light coming down from the bottom,

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how was that positioned in relation to those two white lights?

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I cannot answer that question.

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Okay.

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The patrolman might be able to, because he called my attention to the fact that the ground was lighting up off and on under it.

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And then when I looked down on the ground, it was, you know, this is quite the hilly country here.

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And I distinctly recall on that one hill that the whole site was lit up.

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Could you actually discern that shaft of light coming down from the sky?

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No, I couldn't say that in all honesty either other than I saw the ground lit up.

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Okay.

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Do you have any estimates how far apart those two white lights were?

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You know, I've been thinking about that further than a car probably in retrospect.

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Okay.

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And bright.

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Right.

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They were bright.

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And you didn't get any sound at all?

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Yes, I could hear.

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I rolled my glass down.

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In fact, I told the patrolman on the radio I could hear the thing.

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I heard something.

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Uh-huh.

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And like I say, we're on an interstate and the semi's are, you know, quite, travel quite heavily.

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We were close to the airport.

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We were within five miles of the airport.

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Okay.

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But I heard something now, whether it came from that or not, I don't know.

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Now, was this object stationary?

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It was when we first saw it.

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Okay.

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No.

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Let me correct that.

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It was moving slowly when we first saw it.

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Then it stopped.

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And that's when we pulled over and stopped because the first time I thought it was just an airplane

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going to come in, you know.

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Then when it stopped, why, uh, well, obviously it wasn't any kind of an airplane that I ever saw.

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Uh-huh.

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They had to keep moving.

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Then we thought it was an helicopter.

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Could you discern any colored lights that you would see on a normal aircraft or a strobe light?

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No.

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Okay.

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I don't.

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Do you have any estimate as to how close to the ground that was?

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Well, I'd say 500 to 1,000 feet.

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Okay.

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Now, did you watch that until it moved away?

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Not away.

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We watched it until it moved.

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And, uh, when it started to move again, why, uh, we just figured, well, it's an helicopter

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and they're going to the airport.

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Uh-huh.

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And, uh, kind of put it out of our minds.

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And then when the patrolman called the airport and they didn't know anything about it, I thought

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about it again, you know.

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Okay.

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Now, did those two white lights at all times, while you were observing it, maintain the exact

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position?

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Right.

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I mean, the distance apart as though they might be attached to an object which you could not

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observe.

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Yes.

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They were, they maintained the same position.

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Uh-huh.

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Okay.

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Any estimate on the size of the lights themselves?

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Can you compare it with anything?

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They were big.

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They were big in relation to an automobile headlight.

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Okay.

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I'm sorry, I can't be more specific, but they were unusually, uh, bright.

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They were bright.

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Okay.

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Did they maintain the same brightness at all times?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Now, in the area where the ground was being lit up, is there any specific, uh, ground

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man-made or natural feature in that area that you know of?

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Uh, railroad.

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Just a railroad.

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Uh, it would be just to the, uh, to the southeast of the Pacific Railroad track.

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Okay.

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Maybe a mile.

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And did you see any other aircraft in the same area at the same time?

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No, I didn't see any.

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Okay.

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Well, I think that about does it.

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We sure appreciate you're talking to us, Mr. President.

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Yes, I'll have the patrolman talk to you at night.

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I suppose you're there 24 hours on time.

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Right.

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What do you think we saw?

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Well, the two white lights and, uh, the, uh, illumination of the ground under it is, uh,

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quite familiar in this field.

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Uh, quite often when such a, a phenomenon will approach or come closer to a witness,

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why then they can usually see the outline of a vehicle of some kind with the two brilliant

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white lights positioned on the right and left outer perimeter.

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But apparently this wasn't close enough for you to see what they were attached to.

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Right then I tried to make it out to, uh, I couldn't, I'm whether he did or not, I don't

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know.

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But I'm getting, I'm at home now for supper and, uh, I'm just getting ready to leave.

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We're going back east, further east end out into the Red Desert turn, so we can, we're

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kind of intrigued by this thing now.

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Oh.

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Uh, because it was so close to the airport, we made an assumption that it was a gun lander,

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you know.

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Okay.

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Now you're associated with the Sheriff's Department?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Well, I thank you again for talking to us and if we come up with any answers regarding

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the identification of this thing, we'll get back to you and let you know.

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Well, thank you very much.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Good night.

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Hello.

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Yes, sir.

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Uh, this is, uh, Troll here at Roy, in Wyoming.

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Yes, sir.

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And, uh, Deputy Sheriff told me to call you.

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Right.

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Uh, you're the same man he, he talked to?

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Right.

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Okay.

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What did you want?

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What we'd like to do is get a, uh, detail of this possible description of what you saw

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this evening.

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Well, it'll be about the same thing he told you.

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Uh, we were in different vehicles, uh, coming out of a McCall around Point of Rocks and,

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uh, just south of Interstate 80, we seen a couple of headlights up in the air in a stationary

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position.

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Uh, it looked like, uh, possibly like a car hanging up in the air.

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Yes.

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I know the terrain well enough.

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I knew there was no hail up there for a motor vehicle to be on.

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I pulled over the side of the road and watched it.

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It had very bright lights on it.

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Bigger than car headlights, I guess you would say, and brighter.

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It appeared to be stationary and I watched it for, oh, probably less than one minute.

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And then it started, started to move in an easterly direction back toward the airport.

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Right along the road that comes up to the airport.

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Yes.

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And, uh, I noticed that also these lights illuminated the ground.

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I would say it was 800 to 2000 feet off the ground at that time.

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And then I just went on home and called the airport to see if they had a flight plan on

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some type of an aircraft that would do that.

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I think it was a helicopter.

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But we're at the airport now, uh, trying to find out if there's a helicopter in the area,

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you know, that's landed by now.

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Yes.

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They have no report of one here.

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Okay, now, as that object was moving, uh, did, did continue to illuminate the ground

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under it?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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That's like bright headlights shining down.

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Okay.

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Did you watch it until it moved out of sight?

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No.

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Uh, we just went up the hill toward the airport, so I assumed that it was a helicopter coming

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back up here to land, you know.

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Uh-huh.

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But the thing that, uh, that was unusual about it was, uh, that time of day for it to be stationary.

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In other words, you say that people were out on a work detail, you think they'd just go

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right on the airport.

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Right.

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Instead of stopping up in the air like that and, uh, and, uh, hovering or being in a stationary

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position with a light shining down.

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Did you get out of the car to watch this?

254
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No, I didn't.

255
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Okay.

256
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They'd write in it.

257
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I didn't hear any noise.

258
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Uh-huh.

259
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Okay.

260
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But what time did you first spot that?

261
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It was about 6'10".

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I would estimate.

263
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Okay.

264
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6'10 PM, uh, mountain time.

265
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Just about how long did the entire duration of the setting last?

266
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Oh, probably two or three minutes.

267
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Okay.

268
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Two minutes, it would be a pretty close kiss.

269
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Do you have any estimate of the, uh, distance between those two lights?

270
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A little wider than car headlights, uh, they take a, uh, you know, a big-sized passenger

271
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car, like a Chrysler or a Dye.

272
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Uh-huh.

273
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A possibly a little wider than that.

274
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Okay.

275
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Did they hold their same position as it moved along?

276
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Yes.

277
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Okay.

278
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And you couldn't see any outline of a vehicle of any kind?

279
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No, I couldn't.

280
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Uh, also on the back, when it, when it finally started in the east lead direction, I'd seen

281
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a red and green, green light blinking on and off.

282
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Uh-huh.

283
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Okay.

284
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Is that typical of a helicopter, uh, lighting system?

285
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Mmm.

286
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A large-sized helicopter?

287
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They've got this Hosskins, this helicopter service out of Salt Lake that works in this

288
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area, you know.

289
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Uh-huh.

290
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In fact, I went up in it one time and, uh, just looked at the terrain and...

291
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It doesn't sound like a helicopter flight.

292
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You'd think that they'd come right on in.

293
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And of course the airport should know whether they were coming in or not.

294
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Well, they should.

295
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They have no flight plan.

296
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You know, we're interested.

297
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Uh, I had, uh, that it could be, could be involved in some criminal activity.

298
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Uh-huh.

299
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That's our main interest there.

300
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Right.

301
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And you were alone?

302
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I was alone at my car.

303
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Deputy Sheriff was right behind me in his own unit.

304
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Okay.

305
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What, what distance apart were you from him?

306
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Any idea?

307
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Or was it fairly close?

308
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Back off of call.

309
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We probably, uh...

310
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We were right in the same area.

311
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Oh, okay.

312
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Fine.

313
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All right, sir.

314
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Well, we sure appreciate your calling and talking to us.

315
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Okay, we're going to do a little more, uh, checking on this and, uh...

316
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I don't know.

317
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We can find a helicopter around here to probably answer the question.

318
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Uh, Pacific Power and Light has this, uh, line that goes through here, you know.

319
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Uh-huh.

320
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These big aluminum poles and, uh...

321
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And they use helicopters to move these things, replace them and repair them and so forth.

322
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Right.

323
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But who the company is, it's working for them.

324
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I don't know.

325
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It's something that...

326
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So, thank you then.

327
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Right, thank you, sir.